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The archaic feeling of this way of talking that Resber picked up on comes from the way it mimics Latin grammar instead of using the more natural and versatile "that clause".
Going back to that list of infinitives that more commonly show up with "believe"it seems to be the case that English speakers tend to use that structure with stative verbs rather than active ones. Expressing it that way gives you more freedom to mark tense and mood or add adverbs and additional clauses.
That extra nuance is more important Drum Wollen Wir Auf Reisen Gehn - Die 3 Lauser - Darum Wollen Wir Auf Reisen Gehen discussing actions. Specifically, this paper notes research that shows that English almost exclusively uses " believe [ obj.
There are exceptions and even their example of a "mistake". The new government, wrongly believing tribal leaders to support Pakistan in the war, stationed a counter-insurgency force in the area. Emending it to "to have supported " certainly sounds more natural but has a different meaning. In that case, their support or even the entire war is already finished. Stillto the extent that native speakers tell you such sentences are "wrong" or "too awkward", that's the mechanism underneath why.
If you want to call it a "rule" and the exceptions "ungrammatical", you can but it's not really anything they're conscious of doing and is just a side effect of wanting to have more freedom to adjust or describe active verbs, especially their tense. I think the problem here comes from the verb, believe. One can say, I Believe - Various - Those Wonderful Years believe him to be honest.
I think because "believe" is a transitive verb that requires an object in this case. It gets the object "him" but the phrase "to arrive tomorrow" does not conform to general pattern we are used to hearing. It sounds almost too formal or archaic, like "I wish him to wake up now. The second example sounds like "I believe Mary arriving tomorrow. I hope this helps, I cannot find a term for the group of verbs that I Believe - Various - Those Wonderful Years into this category or a specific rule that precludes using certain infinitives after believe.
Let's compare three sentences assuming that we are allowed to use only will for the future tense for comparison as follows:. As you can clearly notice, you can never tell whether No.
It is a very important difference in context where you need to clarify a tense of the verb. To infinitive is called infinitive because it can't inflect for tense and person. In order to clearly specify the tense, you should not use to infinitive.
Believed and was in No. There could be no confusion. In No. However, you can use to-infinitive because it indicates the same tense as believed. Also, to be could be omitted as it is not absolutely necessary and the adjective honest could function as an object complement on its own. There are many English transitive verbs that can't be used in the No.
The above two sentences are all grammatically correct as there is I Believe - Various - Those Wonderful Years particular reason to specify any tense for to tell the truth and to see. The above explanation doesn't cover all transitive verbs in English and you need to learn how to use them on a case-by-case basis. However, if you focus on tenseobjectobject complement and that-clause after a verb, you would easily understand some patterns for It Was The Year 1907 - The Goons - Volume 14 Needle Nardle Noo! verbs.
Unlike all the answers, I think that 'I believe Mary to arrive tomorrow' it is absolutely grammatically correct, but just semantically incorrect. How come 'my belief causes Mary to arrive tomorrow'? Do I have a supernatural power? It just, as it is, does not make sense. At least for me, it is read as 'I can handle Mary to arrive tomorrow by my belief', but 'I belive him to be honest' does make sense because it is read as 'My belief is for him to be honest' and in this case 'him' is drawn as a man who is honest, so it is both grammatically and semantically correct.
Don't fully trust my opinion, it is just my subjective answer. EDITED I have come to realize my opinion is not plausible at all in resolving the problem and very ridiculous even to me, so I've come to decide to edit it. Anyway, give me one more chance to let me elucidate it based I Believe - Various - Those Wonderful Years my second thought. I think it is deeply associated with the tense problem related to "to infinitive", because If we were saying "She believes him to arrive tomorrow", we couldn't exactly fix the tense of the sentence at some point.
Thereby, it can mean either "She believes he would arrive tomorrow" or "She believes he will arrive tomorrow". It can be meant for the formar if she has already been told in the past directly by him or someone else that he will arrive tomorrow, and therefore she still believes it is true that he would arrive tomorrow.
In this way, I am sure that active verbs cannot be used in such ways only if a sentence cannot fix tense. It's correct because even though being an active verb it is parsed only as "She believes he have arrived". It's also correct, but the reason is different because it is kind of a state verb and she generally believes that he understands her regardless of time, so whether tense is past or future is Will Tura - Het Verleden Is Weer Dichtbij / Het Meisje In t Blauw important.
Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. C Ask Question. Asked 4 years ago. Active 1 year, 2 months ago. Viewed 16k times. I am not an English native speaker, and I have a question about the following sentences: I believe that Mary will arrive tomorrow. I believed that he was honest. My dictionary says that both sentences are grammatically correct, so I am really confused.
Mango Gummy Mango Gummy 2 2 gold badges 4 4 silver badges 13 13 bronze badges. To arrive is an object in this sentence, not a verb. It would be like trying to say, "I believe Mary car tomorrow. Is that British English for "object compliment"? It's the exact same structure as "I believe Mary to be Well, I guess this won't get the bounty since you want someone to explain why it's ungrammatical, but it is grammatical. It's just not terribly common. It's not common at all.
There are exceptions and even their example of a "mistake" The new government, wrongly believing tribal leaders to support Pakistan in the war, stationed a counter-insurgency force in the area. I have no qualms with "I expect her to arrive tomorrow". Maybe you're unaware, but it was the bounty benefactor who posted an answer stating that the sentence is "absolutely grammatically correct".
Mari-LouA That hardly matters if the bounty is focused on something else. You're right that your rewrite is also grammatical; Buck Owens And His Buckaroos - Bridge Over Troubled Water not germane at all here, but you could include that in an answer explaining and sourcing how it is ungrammatical as stated.
That's not what this answer says, though. I'm not knowledgeable enough to write a good answer here. Mari-LouA If you're curious, you could read through the paper linked in my answer. They assume it is "ungrammatical with exceptions" but go into interesting detail on related topics. Resber Resber 51 4 4 bronze badges. Cuz I can find "I want you to meet my grandmother", or "I ordered him to go".
Let's compare three sentences assuming that we are allowed to use only will for the future tense for comparison as follows: 1 I believe that Mary arrived. Now, contrast the above 1 and 2 with your example: 4 I believed that he was honest. Not only are they ungrammatical, but they don't sound natural. I want you to tell me the truth.
I hope to see you soon. Sophy No. It doesn't work that way. Lee As I said in my answer, there are many transitive verbs in English. Don't try to simplify it. As I said, you have to study it on a case-by-case basis. Lee My pleasure. Your question is actually a very good question. But remember, you have to look up the dictionary and read as many example sentences as possible. It will help you a lot more. It's correct as well as . Zenith Zenith 34 1 1 silver badge 9 9 bronze badges.
Scott First of all, to speak about the logic of user, I am somewhat doubt about his explanation, though I agree to some extent, that 'I think him to come tomorrow' is the case in 3 ,because 'tomorrow' is definitely specifying tense of the sentence to be future, so that there is a bit fault of explaining clearly why 'I think him to come tomorrow' does not make sense based on his logic, and let's think out of box whether my thought, hope, or guess can really affect an object 'to behave'.
Scott I mean they can't in such sentences, but yes, there is a possible context in which 'think' is acceptable that affects an object to behave. Scott Returning to your topic, the main difference between believe and expect is that the believe is entirely defendant on the behavior of someone, so that if it is not used in the context of my opinion it does not make sense at all, whereas the expect is fundamentally different from the meaning of believe, and usually used in arranged events, so that it can be used in such construction more often than the believe.
Scott I don't know whether I completely and correctly conveyed my opinion. And keep in mind it is I Believe - Various - Those Wonderful Years subjective opinion.